Well, shit...

[snapdragon76]

WARNING-- Spoilers for Betrayal follows!!




The thing that I feared would happen appears to have happened. All I can say is...f***k!<--that's as close as I get to swearing, folks.

*siiigh* To say I'm seriously disappointed is an understatement. What the hell were the authors thinking when they came up with this scenario? I mean, I really like Jacen (AKA the 'Playboy of the SWU' due to the fact that roughly six different women have fallen in love with or felt a strong attraction to him. One of whom he had a child with. Not that I can necessarily blame them *points to her icon*).

Anyway, I do know that the Sith return in the 'Legacy of the Force' comic book series, but since it appears they were in existence before they recruited Jacen, why the hell did they have to play this card. I mean, I know they showed him 'vision of the devastating future' et al, but these are Sith. They lie and manipulate to get what they want. I mean, look at Palpy for Pete's sake! Ohhh, and what a coup to round up the grandson of Darth Vader.

All I can hope is that this is perhaps a ruse on Jacen's part. Kinda like the end of 'Angel' when Angel infiltrated the Circle of the Black Thorn in order to eventually destroy them. I mean, due to the comic series, it appears that the Sith aren't destroyed, but I'm still hoping for some sort of miracle, perhaps? I mean, maybe Jacen'll come to his senses before he fully completes the transition. What will happen to his relationships with his family? Tenel Ka? His daughter for Pete's sake? What will happen to the Solo bloodline? I mean, I know there's still Jaina, but she's not going to continue the Solo name once (and if) she gets married (although Zekk doesn't exactly have a last name. A-hem). What happened to the Jacen I used to know? The joke-cracking, animal-loving, adventure-seeking one?

I also kind of wonder if there's going to be a showdown between Luke and Jacen a lá Obi Wan and Anakin (although, admittedly, that fight between them kicked ass)?


Ooohh, how I weep for the future...


Sorry about my little rant, there. It's just I sort of get emotionally invested in certain characters I feel I've grown up with. Feel free to skip if you want to.


In other news, mom and I plan on going out to dinner with a friend of ours. The same friend from last week, actually that I missed going out with due to the ill-timed 'illness.' I think I'm gonna enjoy myself. I always like hanging out with this friend because she makes me laugh.

And, if the rain from Alberto lets up, I plan on working on a layout for someone at some point.

Trivia of the day: "Court bouillon" is a broth made by cooking various vegetables and herbs, traditionally used for poaching fish, seafood, or vegetables.

Comments

[eleventh-guard.livejournal.com]

Six women? I only know of three not counting Me, Myself, and I.

I too am hoping that there will be a twist that makes Jacen's seemingly impending fall fake or somehow okay. He's falling, he's actually reached critical velocity, but he hasn't hit the ground to go splat... yet.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

*smirks*

Lessee, there's Danni, Tenel Ka, Anja Gallandro, Wedge's daughter I believe had a crush on him, this new chick who recruited him to the Sith I think had feelings for him... and I think there was someone else IIRC.

I was going to call him the Man-Whore of the SWU, but I felt that was a bit harsh.

*chuckles at icon*

[eleventh-guard.livejournal.com]

I knew of Danni, Tenel Ka, and Nelani. Oh, Wynssa! I forgot her.

Wasn't aware of Anja or the Antilles girl. Wow, that does make six. o_O I knew who Anja, Myri, and Syal were, but not that they ever had feelings for Jacen.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think through various legitimate sources that there were at least that many.

[pinkpolarity.livejournal.com]

Oh dear. Okay, I love the Sith. I infinitely prefer them to the Jedi, actually, and generally agree with them. But the one thing I really liked about NJO is finally seeing Jedi really acting like Jedi-- taking the tough road when there are major consequences against it, and really questioning where they fit in the whole government thing. I loved "Traitor", and I loved Vergere. That they're making some big Dark Side thing out of everything she taught Jacen annoys me to absolutely no end. I've been a SW fan for a long, long time and I don't think I've ever been as disappointed with the direction it's going as I've been since the DN. NJO got me interested in the universe again, and then they took everything in it and shot it full of holes. Gah.

Oh, and Lumiya? Not impressed. Yet another bad example of a Neo-Sith. Marka would not be amused.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the Sith per se. I think they make excellent antagonists for the Jedi. I'm just not all fond of a beloved character of mine crossing over to join them.

[pinkpolarity.livejournal.com]

If it were anyone else, I'd probably be overjoyed. But Jacen went through entirely too much for what amounts to the core of his self-concept to go bye-bye with a wink and a nod. Unless he's willing to do the whole Reestablishment of the Sith Golden Age thing that they're *supposed* to be doing. In which case I'll be overjoyed. :P

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

*nods*

I guess only the future will tell what will really happen I guess.

I know how you feel.......

[dracschick.livejournal.com]

I get emotionally invested in characters too. That's what makes us fans.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Fans or fanatics!

He heeee!

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

Well despite having *not* read Betrayl yet (don't get paid for another week *grumble* and the library is shit!!!) I already guess a few turns in the SWEU would come about. There's a huge thing revolving around Jacen as we all know, but I think its going to turn out to be something much simpler than many agree with. Jacen, being what everyone expected of his brother Anakin, will be following the path of his grandfather - but I think he'll take the path that Anakin Skywalker didn't take and will end up on top of things for the good of the Universe. I can't really see him being the total psychopath (but a cool one) that Palpatine turned out to be or the regretful but empowered like Darth Vader was. I mean come on! This *IS* Jacen Solo we're talking about. True there is no light side or dark side of the force as Jacen learns, its all about intentions and reasons but I think Jacen will be founding a new way of thinking. He doesn't have the selfishness of Dark Jedi/Sith but I think he'll be more of how Mara Jade was - selfless service using the darkside without becoming "dark".

I need to read Betrayl before I am able to establish a more detailed theory into Jacen's reasoning but so far thats what I believe (and quite a few of my theories to date have been close/nearly dead on what actually ended up happening).

Any further spoilers you want to share in responses will be welcomed. I'm not against spoiling the plot. I find it helps me to notice more in the book - like if you read a book/watch a film more than once you pick up on new things etc.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Thank you for responding.

Well, a few things seem a little iffy for me really. I mean, I know Jacen decided to do this in order to prevent a major disaster from happening, or what he believes will happen, bit I still think that maybe there was another solution. I dunno. I guess I'll have to wait and see what the other books in the series brings. True, he wasn't caught up in the emotional turmoil like his grandfather was when he crossed over, but still... this is the Sith we're talking about and there's always a price to be paid. I just hope that if he is able to come out of all of this, that the price he pays won't be too severe and he'll be able to leave with his soul intact.

And I love your icon, there. *smirks*

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

Well the parallels between Anakin Skywalker and Jacen Solo are the main focus of Jacen's search for his "place in the force" so to speak.
What most people overlook is that Anakin Solo held the emotional aspects of his grandfather's legacy. Anakin Skywalker was driven to the dark side by the twisted plotting of Chancellor Palpatine and the want to save his love from a foreseen death. One major lesson we learn in The Empire Strikes Back is that the future is "always in motion" and therefore impossible to truely predict. True, there have been many visions had by Jedi and Sith alike that have come true, but you have to note that they were never in the situation or under the reasonings that were assumed by those in the knowledge of such visions. For example Anakin Skywalker foresaw Padmé's death, but he did not see how it was his own striving against such a thing that actually caused it in the first place. Anakin's actions towards finding a "solution" were in fact just a assurance of the vision coming true. Because he believed it and feared such a thing like his vision he strove to resolve what was not currently existing - thus creating both the dilema and assuring the vision's truth. Backing up this arguement is a *perfect* example in the two books revolcing around Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade's engagement. In 'Spector of the Past' Luke recieves a haunting vision of Mara lying face down in a pool of water as if in death while he was questing for guidance from the force on what he should do/where he should go. Though he continuously questions and worries over this disturbing vision he does not go searching for a way to prevent it, as he admits that he has neither enough knowledge of when or where this is to happen (past/present/future, location, who else is there, why she is seemingly dead etc) nor the knowledge of the vision's truth. He understands that the vision may not come to pass and while hoping it is not true he still repeatedly comes to question such a thing without taking any drastic action. In 'Vision of the Future' Luke vision comes true - but it was not death that Luke foresaw but rather how to save Mara (unknowingly - even when he was putting her into the Jedi Trance.) He sees his vision and though fearing that she is dead when he approaches her he also understands that his vision was not necessarily what he first assumed it to be.

Jacen Solo is more 'intune' with the force and has been since he was a very young child (eg. He and Jaina were the only ones able to see Luke's spectral form in 'Champions of the Force' vol 3 of the Jedi Academy trilogy and the entire business revolving around Jacen's ability with Nature. Where many people (both in the books and the readers themselves) are continuously linking that Anakin Solo was like Anakin Skywalker or that it was Jacen Solo instead of his brother, they don't seem to notice that the brothers together are the "rebirth" of Anakin Skywalker's legacy. Anakin is the emotional side, though baring incredible power, but essentially he was more Luke Skywalker's "other path". Jacen is the questing side of Anakin Skywalker. He seeks the answers, though not with the unrestrained need that his grandfather did.

((Part one))

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

*blinks*

Wow. I'm... impressed at how much thought you've put into this.

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

Me too - I didn't think I had put that much thought into it until I came to click the post comment and it refused because I was over the character limit by nearly 1000 characters.... oops.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Well, anyone who's really intense in a particular fandom tends to be very passionate about it. I am that way too...

*gasp* Is that the Merciful Goddess in your icon?!?!

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

So true.

Why yes it is the Kanzeon Bosatsu! I have a few other Saiyuki ones too. (I loved this scene and her facial expressions so I *HAD* to iconise it)

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

*wibbles* A Saiyuki and a Star Wars fan... I'm in heaven.

My fave is Hakkai.I just love him... *cuddles*


BTW, have a look at my userinfo to see who my Bishie of the Month is...

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

Bishi of the month!!!! Hakkai rocks - though my favourite is Genjyo Sanzo. I adore his grumpy nature!

And I notice you like Rurouni Kenshin too! I am liking you more and more and more and this is maknig me believe in fate!!!! ^.^

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

((Part two))

Both Anakin Solo and Jacen Solo seek to protect those they love like Anakin Skywalker did, but through different methods to him AND each other. Anakin Skywalker believed all (or at the very least MOST) problems could be solved by masstery of the Force and in gaining unquestionable power. Anakin Solo sought to use the Force in a similar way - power and mastery, but he was more reliable on his love for his family and friends to give him that power (Skywalker thought it was power from the Force itself). Jacen on the other hand sought to protect those he cared for and ALL life (when possible) through true mastery of the Force. He wanted to learn its depths and limitations, but he relied on his own talents that were non-Force related - such as his mind, blasters, fighter ships etc (what non-Force users had). He sought a balance between the Force and himself and was not after gaining personal strenght/power with the Force. He takes the philisophical route.
Many people describe Luke as being what Anakin should have been had he not taken the Dark path to becoming a Sith Lord but its not true. Luke and Anakin Skywalker are different people (obviously still father and son though). Anakin Solo is Luke's "other path" - how Luke could have been had he been raised under different circumstances while Jacen is a reflection of Anakin Skywalker's "other path" - he is extremely powerful, but is reluctant to use such power. He has doubts about his teachings and the limitations placed by the Jedi masters as Anakin Skywalker did, but instead of rebelling against them in full force he withdrew from it all and questioned what his involvement in the Force and the Jedi is (still does that a lot too).

((Well that was longer than intended.... my fingers just kept typing... Oops went over the character limit of 4300.))

Well yes the icon is lovely - your too - though I'm not sure why it looks so familiar..... *snerk*

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Well, no one's perfect. I mean, one's own perceptions tend to taint how we learn. I think there needs to be a balance between the two ideals, but whether or not it comes to pass has yet to be determined.

Man, there is so much to absorb. I think my brain's starting to hurt a bit! But it's good to have a rational thoughtful discussion, even if i get confused sometimes!

Gee, I dunno why either... ^_^

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

Confusion shows use that we still have much left to learn - whether its specific to a topic or a general opinion. It helps us learn and grow and gain knowledge. If everything made perfect sense then there would be no debates, no questioning of ideals and there would be no personal opinions to colour our thoughts. I would grow quite bored if my life were to hold no confusing or challenging aspects in it. For me confusion is a form of challenge - it's practically begging me to solve the confusion and therefore I learn more. Its always helpful to admit when you're wrong or lost, or don't understand. Ego's are built on solidarity - they are grey scaled to the problem and make everything confusing without much of an answer.

I think I need to go and read a book to calm my thoughts - before I get *too* philisophical on you (though I kind of have done already)

Its really bugging me where I have seen that icon before now..... *snerk* ^.^;

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I never said I was an expert in anything, so I'm fully capable to admit when I don't understand something. And therefore, I learn more!

Well, I had to use that image, because he was looking really good in it. I think I made a comment somewhere where I understood why so many girls fall for him (and thus earning him the nickname 'Playboy of the SWU.' *snickers*

[secret-windows.livejournal.com]

I credit myself on my knowledge of Star Wars but I am most certainly not an expert. The only experts as far as I consider things would be George Lucas and a few of the main authors of the SWEU (the ones that really draw in the vast knowledge of the SWEU)

He is the playboy of SWU!!!!!!!!!! No doubt about it! Some one else made my icon (I think it was... Kayim) but I have the picture some where and need to get around to making my own version of it. The majority of my icons end up animated, but I'm beginning to make more interesting still icons... Must make a new Jason one soon.

[snapdragon76.livejournal.com]

I read this very interesting editorial in the newest issue of Star Wars Insider, and I was thinking, "Yes! This is exactly how I feel about it! Whoa!" So you should check it out. It's the Sith issue, actually.

I do plan on making more icons. Not with that specific picture, but another really good one. I'll show then to you once I finish.